There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Episodes



Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field
This week Bryan introduces us to Trish Santini and Frank Butler, co-founders of the new Empire Training Center for the Arts in Poughkeepsie, NY. We learn about Trish and Frank’s extensive and winding careers and what inspired them to create a vocational arts training center that provides accessible and practical technical and administrative training in an intensive 10-month model.
Trish Santini and Frank Butler are professional arts administrators and the co-founders of the Empire Training Center for the Arts (https://www.empirearts.org/).Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod
Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi



Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen PatronsThis week the team and guest Kiersten Birondo talk about a recent study examining Gen Z and Millennials’ perceived cost and value of attending theater, and how we can apply the findings to marketing and audience engagement efforts in venues across the country.
You can read the Broadway News article and find the link to the study, “Unveiling the Value of Broadway: How Pulling Back the Curtain on the Broadway Experience Triples Its Value Among Next-Gen Theater Goers”, here: http://bit.ly/47fdqBC.
Kiersten Birondo is the Executive Director of the Rozsa Center for the Performing Arts at Michigan Tech University (https://www.mtu.edu/rozsa/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?
The team follows up on Josh’s recent Tuesday Talk with the Ohio Arts Professionals Network (OAPN) about the value of commercial programming - how it can serve your community, support other programming financially, and broaden our industry.
You can check out Josh’s Tuesday Talk with OAPN (https://oapn.org/) at https://youtu.be/OiUieO-e_jI?feature=shared
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines
This week Katie, Josh, and Bryan round up and discuss some the industry headlines from the week and the implications for the field. It’s not all bad, though! We do get to chat about a certain musician whose name rhymes with Taylor and everyone’s favorite 90s uncle.
Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message!Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod
Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Ep. 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Ep 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing
This week the team learns about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and talk about big transitions leading into Katie’s conversation with Mary Jennings, the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet. Mary and Katie talk about how to build staff and organizational culture, the impact of resident companies on a community, budgeting and artist pay, and putting dancers on billboards.
Mary Jennings is the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet, Michigan’s only professional ballet company. (https://grballet.com/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable
The team is back from summer break and this week Danielle sits down with colleague Kara Hettinger, and they discuss more ways of building the future of our industry: innovations in reaching teen audiences and training and support for teaching artists. Kara is one of the founding collaborators of the Midwest Teaching Artist Coalition, which is building new ways of creating sustainable careers and connections for teaching artists.
Kara Hettinger is the Program Director for Arts Education at the Midwest Trust Center at Johnson Community College in Overland Park, KS (https://www.jccc.edu/midwest-trust-center/).
Mentioned in the episode: TeenTix KC (https://kc.teentix.org/)
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid DreamsThis week we wrap our July 20205 Rewind Series as we revisit one of Danielle’s favorite conversations from Season 2, Episode 65 with Wone Vang!
Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-time employee, the Guaranteed Income Program she is managing for Springboard for the Arts, and the importance of pay equity. Our hosts talk about their life in cross stich, what individuals can do to increase pay equity, and how we can learn more on these topics.
Wone Vang is an artist (https://3drdcrafts.com/) and the Economic Opportunity Director at Springboard for the Arts (https://springboardforthearts.org/).
Resources mentioned in this episode:
The Art of Economic Justice: https://springboardforthearts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GI_Impact_Report_SBftA_2023.pdf
Stefanie O’Connell Rodriguez: https://tooambitious.com/
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from PeopleThis week Bryan ensures we feature our friends from the north as we rewind to Danielle’s Season 1 conversation with Canadian agent and Friend of the Pod, Tara Bailey!On this episode Danielle sits down with agent Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance of community, and so much more. Our hosts realize they don’t know much about the differences between US and Canada culturally and talk funding and theatre for young audiences.
Tara Bailey is the Founder of Bailiwick Booking Agency and Arts Management (https://www.bailiwick.biz/). Tara also sits on the board of NAPAMA and AASPAA.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

There's No Business Like...
The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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