There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Episodes



Wednesday Dec 11, 2024
Ep. 113 NBL Rewind: Danielle Van Hook: Comforting, Yet Challenging
Wednesday Dec 11, 2024
Wednesday Dec 11, 2024
Ep. 113 NBL Rewind: Danielle Van Hook: Comforting, Yet Challenging
In this week’s rewind Katie lady-chats with Danielle and learns what she’s been up to lately, including facilitating a world premiere at the Alden and engaging the art of making memories on family vacations.
In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, this week Bryan and Katie sit down with Danielle, and finally put her in the hot seat! We learn about the journey that led her to arts administration, where her passion for DEIA comes from and why it’s important to her, how she programs entertainment and keeps it accessible, and so much more. Danielle also shares her love of the Pocahontas Project (https://www.pocahontasproject.org/) and the podcast Seeing White (https://sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/)
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Danielle Van Hook is the Director of Youth Programs at The Alden Theatre in McLean, Virginia (https://mcleancenter.org/about/visit/the-alden-theatre/). Danielle is also a mother of twins, an ally, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Ep. 112 NBL Rewind: Bryan Zellmer: Don’t Be Afraid to Show Your Silliness
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Ep. 112 NBL Rewind: Bryan Zellmer: Don’t Be Afraid to Show Your SillinessThe rewinds continue as we get some big updates and news from Bryan!
In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week Katie and Josh sit down with Bryan. Bryan shares his journey from marketing director to arts admin, how his programming style has shifted as our ecosystem changes, the pitfalls of “quality” art, and his passion for collaboration in every aspect of his life. He also shows off his natural storytelling skills sharing vulnerable, heartwarming, and hilarious parts of his life.
Bryan Zellmer is the Executive Director of The Bardavon and Ulster Performing Arts Centers (https://www.bardavon.org/) and former Director of KU Presents! at Kutztown University (https://www.kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/ku-presents.html) Bryan is also a father, a mentor, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Nov 27, 2024
Ep. 111 NBL Rewind: Kevin Maynard: People Come First
Wednesday Nov 27, 2024
Wednesday Nov 27, 2024
Ep. 111 NBL Rewind: Kevin Maynard: People Come FirstWith so many life changes and new listeners, we thought the holidays would be a good time to revisit our Interpodsquad interviews and reintroduce ourselves! Danielle gets the fresh scoop and we re-enjoy Bryan and Josh’s interview with the incomparable Kevin Maynard.
We learn about Kevin’s surprising (but unsurprisingly wholesome) first foray into live performance, how his business and accounting background gave him a firm foundation as an arts leader, and Kevin’s philosophies around taking on challenges and supporting his staff. The Mystery of the Mustache is also revealed! And Danielle, per usual, continues to torture Kevin.Kevin L. Maynard is the Executive Director for Opening Nights at Florida State University (https://openingnights.fsu.edu/ ) and former Executive Director of Quad City Arts, splitting the border between Iowa and Illinois (www.quadcityarts.com). He is also an avid runner, community theater actor, lover of spreadsheets, and 1/5 of the There’s No Business Like podcast team.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Nov 20, 2024
Ep. 110 Lenore Naxon: The Only Constant is Change
Wednesday Nov 20, 2024
Wednesday Nov 20, 2024
Ep. 110 Lenore Naxon: The Only Constant is Change
This week the PodSquad dreams about what to do with a magical pot of money for extra programming, which leads to Katie’s conversation with friend and mentor Lenore Naxon. Lenore dives into nuances of board management, leading in the presenter consortium space, and how changes in the industry present challenges and opportunities. Lenore Naxon is the founder of Naxon Consulting (https://naxonconsulting.com/) and co-chair of the Presenters Leadership Consortium. She is also the pod’s Biggest Fan!
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).



Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
Ep. 109 Phil Esparza: Challenges Not Barriers
Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
Ep. 109 Phil Esparza: Challenges Not Barriers
This week we bring you an unexpected interview from our time at the 2024 WAA Conference. Bryan has the honor and pleasure of sitting down with Phil Esparza of El Teatro Campesino, the legendary Chicano theater company. We discuss the company’s history and legacy, community engagement, and trace Phil’s career from college student to performer to collegiate presenter.
Phil Esparza is the Executive Producer of El Teatro Campesino (https://elteatrocampesino.com/). The company celebrates its 60th anniversary in 2025.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).



Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
Ep. 108: Live from MAX – Are Audiences Back?
Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
Ep. 108: Live from MAX – Are Audiences Back?
This week our hosts go back in time without the time machine (thanks, Kevin!) to when we first started presenting shows inside again after pandemic closures, and then our guests from the expo hall floor at MAX bring different perspectives on engaging with audiences in this moment to the conversation. We dig into the future of opera and classical music audiences, engaging “young” audiences now for the future, and the impact of social media and other platforms on the monetary value of live performing arts.
Our guests this week are:
Bob Wendland, Assistant Director, Washington Pavilion Management
Maddy Ringo, Singer-songwriter
Bill Blagg, Illusionist
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).



Wednesday Oct 30, 2024
Ep. 107 Live from MAX – Reflections on Equity in the Field
Wednesday Oct 30, 2024
Wednesday Oct 30, 2024
Ep. 107 Live from MAX – Reflections on Equity in the Field
This week Kevin shares some great news and our hosts think they are hay-larious before diving into the serious topic of changes in equity in our field. Our guests at the Midwest Arts Xpo discuss slow shifts in programming and the hierarchical structures that impede progress, and we dig deep into just a few of the challenges with contracting.
Our guests this week are:Sarah Haag, Artist
Wallace Thomas, Artist, Ball in the HouseClare Longendyke, PianistKaroline Myers, Director of Education, Des Moines Performing Arts
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).



Wednesday Oct 23, 2024
Ep. 106 Paul Sage Cannon: Be Brave Enough to Believe in Yourself
Wednesday Oct 23, 2024
Wednesday Oct 23, 2024
Ep. 106 Paul Sage Cannon: Be Brave Enough to Believe in Yourself
This week our hosts get a bit philosophical before we listen to Danielle’s conversation with singer-songwriter Paul Sage Cannon from our time at the 2024 Western Arts Alliance Conference. Paul shares how his personal history informs his songwriting, how the weight of being a culture barer is both painful and joyful at the same time, and reminds us that music is a healing artform.
Paul Sage Cannon ( https://paulsagecannon.com/ ) is a singer-songwriter from the Waipuk Clan, a part of the Kumeyaay Nation. He is also a certified Native Healer and speaks on Native healing, philosophy, cultural education.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

There's No Business Like...
The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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