There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Episodes



Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Ep. 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Ep 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing
This week the team learns about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and talk about big transitions leading into Katie’s conversation with Mary Jennings, the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet. Mary and Katie talk about how to build staff and organizational culture, the impact of resident companies on a community, budgeting and artist pay, and putting dancers on billboards.
Mary Jennings is the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet, Michigan’s only professional ballet company. (https://grballet.com/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable
The team is back from summer break and this week Danielle sits down with colleague Kara Hettinger, and they discuss more ways of building the future of our industry: innovations in reaching teen audiences and training and support for teaching artists. Kara is one of the founding collaborators of the Midwest Teaching Artist Coalition, which is building new ways of creating sustainable careers and connections for teaching artists.
Kara Hettinger is the Program Director for Arts Education at the Midwest Trust Center at Johnson Community College in Overland Park, KS (https://www.jccc.edu/midwest-trust-center/).
Mentioned in the episode: TeenTix KC (https://kc.teentix.org/)
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid DreamsThis week we wrap our July 20205 Rewind Series as we revisit one of Danielle’s favorite conversations from Season 2, Episode 65 with Wone Vang!
Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-time employee, the Guaranteed Income Program she is managing for Springboard for the Arts, and the importance of pay equity. Our hosts talk about their life in cross stich, what individuals can do to increase pay equity, and how we can learn more on these topics.
Wone Vang is an artist (https://3drdcrafts.com/) and the Economic Opportunity Director at Springboard for the Arts (https://springboardforthearts.org/).
Resources mentioned in this episode:
The Art of Economic Justice: https://springboardforthearts.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GI_Impact_Report_SBftA_2023.pdf
Stefanie O’Connell Rodriguez: https://tooambitious.com/
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from PeopleThis week Bryan ensures we feature our friends from the north as we rewind to Danielle’s Season 1 conversation with Canadian agent and Friend of the Pod, Tara Bailey!On this episode Danielle sits down with agent Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a career in the arts. Through Tara’s story we learn about the challenges of visas, the differences in the arts between Canada and the US, the importance of community, and so much more. Our hosts realize they don’t know much about the differences between US and Canada culturally and talk funding and theatre for young audiences.
Tara Bailey is the Founder of Bailiwick Booking Agency and Arts Management (https://www.bailiwick.biz/). Tara also sits on the board of NAPAMA and AASPAA.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time
This week Kevin rewinds us all the way back to Episode 32 to revisit the lessons and great advice offered by Bob Bennett in May 2023. This is also one of Katie’s favorites!
Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part of the industry outside of performance. Bob talks about how change and growth take time, vision, and a good team. Our hosts share their spirit/drink of choice, so now you know what to get us when you see us at “the hang” at conferences! The team also discuss more important topics like the economics of the arts and the many opportunities outside of just performance.
Bob Bennet is the Artistic Director/Director of Operations for Jazz St. Louis (https://jazzstl.org/). Bob is also the Podcast Producer and Sr. Contributor for Bourbon and Banter (https://www.bourbonbanter.com/) a podcast exploring the world of bourbon and other spirits.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L. JacobwithThis week Katie is rewinding to earlier this year and gasp! recommends you sit still and listen deeply to this one! So grab your earbuds, a pen, and comfy chair and adult beverage of choice and enjoy!
This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about the changing development landscape. Lori shares her top 5 things you can do right now and gives insight into the world of philanthropy. If you want to go deeper on the topic with Lori, you can check out her webinar with GrantStation recorded on April 1: https://grantstation.com/product/webinar-recordings/how-fundraise-during-times-fear-and-uncertainty-recording
Lori L. Jacobwith is the Founder of Ignited Fundraising (https://ignitedfundraising.com/). The sweet spot of her work is to help organizations put a face on their impact by sharing inspiring, ethical mission moment stories. For more than 35 years Lori has had a laser focus on helping nonprofit staff & board members implement fundraising solutions that put ease and joy into raising money.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process Unfolding
Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
Wednesday Jul 02, 2025
NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process UnfoldingIt’s summer vacation! The Pod Squad is taking a break and sharing some of their favorite conversations from the beach for the month of July. This week Josh rewinds to Ep. 64 with musician Micah Christian.
This week Bryan sits down with the lead vocalist of Sons of Serendip, Micah Christian. Micah opens up about his journey into creating music, learning to not compare himself to others, life on the road, and more. Meanwhile, our hosts have a rousing conversation about ringtones and ring backs, Bryan effectively shuts down criticism, and realize we all have learning to do on how the music charts work. Micah Christian is an artist passionate about storytelling, composing, and performing music that supports, enhances, and creates meaningful moments. He is the co-founder and lead vocalist of America's Got Talent Finalist, Sons of Serendip (https://www.sonsofserendip.com/). Micah is also on the board of NAPAMA.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Ep. 142 Investing in Our Future
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Ep 142: Investing in Our FutureThis week guests Paige Hernandez, Daniel Hahn, and Karoline Myers stop by the pod to talk about the importance of and creative ways of commissioning new work from both the artist and venue perspectives. Daniel and Karoline also share about a new commissioning funding model, the TYA Tour Development Collective, which just completed its pilot year and is connecting artists directly with venues for funding.Paige Hernandez is a multidisciplinary artist that has been creating work for young audiences for over 20 years (www.paigehernandez.com). Daniel Hahn is the Vice President of Education at Playhouse Square in Cleveland, OH (www.playhousesquare.org). Karoline Myers is the Director of Education at Des Moines Performing Arts (www.desmoinesperformingarts.org).You can learn more about the TYA Tour Development Collective at www.tyatourdevelopment.org.Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod
Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

There's No Business Like...
The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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