There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Episodes



Wednesday Apr 30, 2025
Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined
Wednesday Apr 30, 2025
Wednesday Apr 30, 2025
Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined
This week Josh shares his conversation with Angela Meleca, and our hosts opt to save their commentary until next week so our listeners can sit with this one a bit longer. Angela shares her journey to where she is now, spending more time on her true passion, the Return on Art (ROA). Angela also shares how she is leading a cohort to measure the social, emotional, and public value of the arts and their impact on well-being.
Angela Meleca is the Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). She is also the host of the ARTS Redefined podcast.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Apr 23, 2025
Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up?
Wednesday Apr 23, 2025
Wednesday Apr 23, 2025
Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up?
This week Barron Ryan and Jacob Deaton join Katie, Josh, and Danielle to talk about the industry and what keeps them up at night. Don’t worry, it’s not all doom and gloom, what’s keeping these folks up are big ideas!
To learn more about our guests, you can listen to their full interviews:
Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard and Be Patient Ep. 60 Barron Ryan: The Evidence of Beauty
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Apr 16, 2025
Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear Path
Wednesday Apr 16, 2025
Wednesday Apr 16, 2025
Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear Path
This week Danielle sits down with Michelle Grove Herzog to talk about going from a musician (violin) to consultant and Director of the Arts Admin Program and the University of Arizona. She shares conversations about board management, fiscal sponsorships, grants and more. The Pod Squad talks about their interactions with grantmaking, boards, and more.
Michelle Grove Herzog is an independent non-profit consultant and the Director of the Arts Administration Program at the University of Arizona.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Apr 09, 2025
Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community?
Wednesday Apr 09, 2025
Wednesday Apr 09, 2025
Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community?
Josh finally asks the important question, what would our hosts name their bands! Then he shares his conversation with Mark Ross and Erica Finley when they spoke at APAP 2025. Mark and Erika share how they got started in the arts, the interesting history of Community Concert Associations, volunteerism, and more.
Mark Ross and Erika Finley work for Live on Stage (https://www.liveonstage.biz/), Live Arts and Attractions (https://www.livearts.biz/), and Matt Davenport Productions (https://mattdavenportproductions.com/) wearing multiple hats including agent, marketing, and national sales.
Volunteerism article we mentioned: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/11/civic-engagement-and-volunteerism.html
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Tuesday Apr 01, 2025
Ep. 130 Alex Morgan is Silencio Pantomimo: From the County Fair to Paris
Tuesday Apr 01, 2025
Tuesday Apr 01, 2025
Ep. 130 Alex Morgan is Silencio Pantomimo: From the County Fair to Paris
This week Bryan sits down with professional mime, Alex Morgan. Alex shares how he got into the art form, running away to Paris, and finding his character, Silencio Pantomimo. The interview really takes off when Alex allows Bryan to interview Silencio and we learn how we went from busking in Paris to touring internationally.
Alex Morgan is a professional mime, known best for his work as Silencio Pantomimo.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Mar 26, 2025
Ep. 129 Bracket Madness: What Our Industry Can Learn From Sports Marketing.
Wednesday Mar 26, 2025
Wednesday Mar 26, 2025
Ep. 129 Bracket Madness: What Our Industry Can Learn From Sports Marketing.
This week the hosts go all in on March Madness sharing their prowess and knowledge of College Basketball, which does not take long so they move onto what our industry can learn from sports, more specifically sports marketing.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi



Wednesday Mar 19, 2025
Ep. 128 What’s Happening in D.C.?
Wednesday Mar 19, 2025
Wednesday Mar 19, 2025
Ep. 128 What’s Happening in D.C.?
This week Kevin, Josh, and Katie discuss Ep. 126 with James Shapiro, and connect it to what is happening with the Kennedy Center and the National Endowment for the Arts in 2025. They dive into some practical and philosophical questions surrounding the politicization of two national arts entities and potential impacts on the live performing arts field.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Saturday Mar 15, 2025
BONUS: James Shapiro working on Broadway’s Othello
Saturday Mar 15, 2025
Saturday Mar 15, 2025
BONUS: James Shapiro working on Broadway’s Othello
This week’s episode had too much for one episode! Enjoy this excerpt that was cut for time where James Shapiro talks about his work on performances, specifically Othello featuring Denzel Washington. James Shapiro (https://www.jamesshapiro.net/) is the author “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democracy, and The Making of a Culture War.”
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

There's No Business Like...
The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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