Wednesday Nov 19, 2025
Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs. Community Engagement
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THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
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Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less
Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Wednesday Nov 12, 2025
Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less
This week, our hosts start with a little game before Katie shares her conversation with Todd Wetzel. Todd is a fountain of knowledge and shares that knowledge with Katie, and our audience. Todd shares how he got his start in the arts, his philosophy on leadership, audience development, shifting presenting models, and so much more. Todd Wetzel is the Executive Director of Purdue Convocations at Purdue University (https://convocations.purdue.edu/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Nov 05, 2025
Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for Granted
Wednesday Nov 05, 2025
Wednesday Nov 05, 2025
Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for Granted
Our hosts kick off this week talking about things they weren’t great at when they first started, and Bryan shares his conversation with Patrick Brogan. Patrick shares his role at ArtsQuest, an organization that grew from an 11-day music festival to a 10-acre arts and culture campus, the SteelStacks. Patrick shares his journey in the arts and his over 20 years with ArtsQuest, encouraging folks to take it in and enjoy it all. Patrick Brogan is the Chief Programming Officer at ArtsQuest in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania (https://www.artsquest.org/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health for the Mind
Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Wednesday Oct 29, 2025
Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health for the Mind
This week the pod is bringing you something a little different. This week the pod goes fitness! Kevin shares his conversation with his personal trainer, Matt Smith, and talk about how health and wellness impacts your workflow. Matt also shares a beginner workout for use at home, in the gym, or on the road.
Matt Smith is a personal trainer, massage therapist, and yoga instructor in Galesburg, Illinois. (https://www.instagram.com/the.movement.journeyman/) Beginner workout routine: https://www.jefit.com/routines/1059035/at-home-strength
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price Punchline
Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Wednesday Oct 22, 2025
Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price Punchline
This week The Pod Squad rounds up recent industry news including comments from the CEO of Live Nation and significant leadership changes in our industry. And Bryan throws back to MTV Unplugged....
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary!
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary!
It’s a three-year celebration episode for the pod! Thank you all for joining us on this journey. If you are new here, you can find some “starter” playlists here: https://nobusinesslike.com/spotify-playlists
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 08, 2025
Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!
Wednesday Oct 08, 2025
Wednesday Oct 08, 2025
Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!
This week Katie gathers colleagues from the beautiful state of Arizona to discuss the vibe of the Arizona arts scene, collaboration, programming, and the state of arts funding in the 48th state.
Bonnie Schock is the CEO of the Fox Tuscon Theatre in Tuscon, AZ (https://foxtucson.com/).
Christina You-sun Park is the Executive Director of the Arizona Commission on the Arts (https://azarts.gov/).Michelle Mac Lennan is the General Manager of the Chandler Center for the Arts in Chandler, AZ (https://www.chandlercenter.org/) and the president of the Arizona Presenters Alliance (https://www.azpresenters.org/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway
Josh had an opportunity to sit down with Broadway legend Norbert Leo Butz at the Midwest Arts Xpo, and we share that conversation here. Norbert shares how he got started in the industry and the stories behind some of the roles he is known best for. Our hosts do their best to play it cool and also share their first named role in a show.
Norbert Leo Butz is a two time Tony Award-winning performer known for role in Rent, and originations roles in Wicked, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Catch Me if You Can, and many more. His new show Broadway or Busk is touring and represented by Sweetwood Creative (https://sweetwoodiscreative.com/#show-1)
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy
This week Kevin sits down with Bill Stanczykiewicz from Indiana University’s Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. Bill shares incredible insights into philanthropy including what philanthropy is, what the data is telling us about giving, and breaks down the changes to the tax code.
Bill Stanczykiewicz is the Senior Assistant Dean for External Relations, Clinical Associate Professor, and Director of the Fundraising School at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy (http://go.iu.edu/tfrs).
Resources from this episode:
Giving USA Report: https://givingusa.org/giving-usa-2025-u-s-charitable-giving-grew-to-592-50-billion-in-2024-lifted-by-stock-market-gains/
IRC 513(i) white paper: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/advertising-or-qualified-sponsorship-payments
The Fundraising School: http://go.iu.edu/tfrs
Principles and Techniques of Fundraising: https://philanthropy.indianapolis.iu.edu/professional-development/courses-seminars/the-fund-raising-school/principles-techniques-of-fundraising.html
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

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The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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