There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Episodes



Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary!
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Wednesday Oct 15, 2025
Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary!
It’s a three-year celebration episode for the pod! Thank you all for joining us on this journey. If you are new here, you can find some “starter” playlists here: https://nobusinesslike.com/spotify-playlists
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 08, 2025
Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!
Wednesday Oct 08, 2025
Wednesday Oct 08, 2025
Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition!
This week Katie gathers colleagues from the beautiful state of Arizona to discuss the vibe of the Arizona arts scene, collaboration, programming, and the state of arts funding in the 48th state.
Bonnie Schock is the CEO of the Fox Tuscon Theatre in Tuscon, AZ (https://foxtucson.com/).
Christina You-sun Park is the Executive Director of the Arizona Commission on the Arts (https://azarts.gov/).Michelle Mac Lennan is the General Manager of the Chandler Center for the Arts in Chandler, AZ (https://www.chandlercenter.org/) and the president of the Arizona Presenters Alliance (https://www.azpresenters.org/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Wednesday Oct 01, 2025
Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway
Josh had an opportunity to sit down with Broadway legend Norbert Leo Butz at the Midwest Arts Xpo, and we share that conversation here. Norbert shares how he got started in the industry and the stories behind some of the roles he is known best for. Our hosts do their best to play it cool and also share their first named role in a show.
Norbert Leo Butz is a two time Tony Award-winning performer known for role in Rent, and originations roles in Wicked, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Catch Me if You Can, and many more. His new show Broadway or Busk is touring and represented by Sweetwood Creative (https://sweetwoodiscreative.com/#show-1)
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Wednesday Sep 24, 2025
Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy
This week Kevin sits down with Bill Stanczykiewicz from Indiana University’s Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. Bill shares incredible insights into philanthropy including what philanthropy is, what the data is telling us about giving, and breaks down the changes to the tax code.
Bill Stanczykiewicz is the Senior Assistant Dean for External Relations, Clinical Associate Professor, and Director of the Fundraising School at the Lilly Family School of Philanthropy (http://go.iu.edu/tfrs).
Resources from this episode:
Giving USA Report: https://givingusa.org/giving-usa-2025-u-s-charitable-giving-grew-to-592-50-billion-in-2024-lifted-by-stock-market-gains/
IRC 513(i) white paper: https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/advertising-or-qualified-sponsorship-payments
The Fundraising School: http://go.iu.edu/tfrs
Principles and Techniques of Fundraising: https://philanthropy.indianapolis.iu.edu/professional-development/courses-seminars/the-fund-raising-school/principles-techniques-of-fundraising.html
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on Ticketing
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Wednesday Sep 17, 2025
Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on Ticketing
This week our hosts Josh, Katie, Danielle, and Kevin are coming to you LIVE from the Expo Hall at Midwest Arts Expo 2025. Our four hosts discuss ticketing. They touch on On Sale and announce schedules, ticket pricing, third party ticketing, and dynamic pricing.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field
This week Bryan introduces us to Trish Santini and Frank Butler, co-founders of the new Empire Training Center for the Arts in Poughkeepsie, NY. We learn about Trish and Frank’s extensive and winding careers and what inspired them to create a vocational arts training center that provides accessible and practical technical and administrative training in an intensive 10-month model.
Trish Santini and Frank Butler are professional arts administrators and the co-founders of the Empire Training Center for the Arts (https://www.empirearts.org/).Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod
Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi



Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen PatronsThis week the team and guest Kiersten Birondo talk about a recent study examining Gen Z and Millennials’ perceived cost and value of attending theater, and how we can apply the findings to marketing and audience engagement efforts in venues across the country.
You can read the Broadway News article and find the link to the study, “Unveiling the Value of Broadway: How Pulling Back the Curtain on the Broadway Experience Triples Its Value Among Next-Gen Theater Goers”, here: http://bit.ly/47fdqBC.
Kiersten Birondo is the Executive Director of the Rozsa Center for the Performing Arts at Michigan Tech University (https://www.mtu.edu/rozsa/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up?
The team follows up on Josh’s recent Tuesday Talk with the Ohio Arts Professionals Network (OAPN) about the value of commercial programming - how it can serve your community, support other programming financially, and broaden our industry.
You can check out Josh’s Tuesday Talk with OAPN (https://oapn.org/) at https://youtu.be/OiUieO-e_jI?feature=shared
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

There's No Business Like...
The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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