There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional arts touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at https://nobusinesslike.com
Episodes
Episodes



Jul 8, 2026
Ep. 196 AI: A Tool or the End of the Artist
Jul 8, 2026
Jul 8, 2026
25 min
Ep. 196 AI: A Tool or the End of the Artist
Josh, Katie, and Danielle take some time to discuss Real world use of AI as an administrative tool. We also discuss and discover ways that we have been using AI without advertently intending to. We remain hopeful that it remains a tool, but also express a fair amount of skepticism of what capitalism will do with it. Share your thoughts with our on our socials.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Jul 1, 2026
Jul 1, 2026
1hr 14 min
Ep. 195 Joshua Holden: Puppets and Whoopi GoldbergThe podcast hosts its first puppeteer this week as Joshua Holden joins Katie for a thoroughly delightful conversation! They explore what it takes to be a puppeteer, how to make the most of a conference showcase as an artist, and discuss Josh’s experiences on Broadway and Sesame Street. Yes, Sesame Street!Joshua Holden is a New York City-based puppeteer and touring artist (www.wowjoshuaholden.com).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Jun 24, 2026
Ep. 194 The Michigan Maven, Katie Trzaska-Miller
Jun 24, 2026
Jun 24, 2026
25 min
Ep. 194 The Michigan Maven, Katie Trzaska-Miller
This week Kevin checks in with Katie and gets an update on two years of Michigan Maven Creative Associates. We find out what she has been working on, what drives her, and the challenging nature of balancing it all.
You can learn more and contact Katie at MichiganMaven.art
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Jun 17, 2026
Ep. 193 Who is the Meet and Greet For?
Jun 17, 2026
Jun 17, 2026
29 min
Ep. 193 Who is the Meet and Greet For?This week Danielle wants to know more about the logistics of meet and greets, as her venue prepares for a style of meet and greet with an artist they haven’t facilitated before. We get into the questions of who they are for, how artists and venues can mutually benefit, and how to make the experience great for all parties involved.
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Jun 10, 2026
Ep. 192 Building Cultures of Care
Jun 10, 2026
Jun 10, 2026
22 min
Ep. 192 Building a Culture of Care
Josh recently had a visit from Friend of the Pod Todd Wetzel (Ep. 162), who is currently cycling across America – and he inspired this week’s conversation about the importance of taking time off, rest, and instilling that in our personal and organizational cultures.
Todd Wetzel’s Journey Across the Trans American Bike Trail can be followed at https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=3d2&doc_id=26871&v=4c
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



Jun 3, 2026
Ep. 191 Connecting the Dots Through NAPAMA
Jun 3, 2026
Jun 3, 2026
26 min
Ep. 191 Connecting the Dots Through NAPAMAThis week we join Josh, Kevin Peters, and Spring Karlo in Tucson, AZ from the 2026 NAPAMA Retreat. We learn about the history of NAPAMA, the collaborative role it plays in the industry, and the unique aspects of the annual retreat.NAPAMA (North American Performing Arts Managers & Agents) is an organization of agents, managers, self-represented artists, presenters, producers, and other touring performing arts professionals that provides education, professional development, mentorship, community and more. Learn more and become a member at https://www.napama.org/.Kevin Peters is the current President of NAPAMA and is currently the agent in charge of the touring division at G.L. Berg Entertainment (https://www.glberg.com/).Spring Karlo is Co-Vice President of NAPAMA and Co-Director of Holden & Arts Associates (https://www.holdenarts.org/).
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



May 27, 2026
May 27, 2026
41 min
Ep.190 Amanda Cooper – Under The Radar: If you don’t know who to ask – Ask Me.
This week we bring our next episode in our Under the Radar Series. Kevin and Josh sit down with Producer Amanda L. Cooper. Amanda was producer for Sunny Jain’s “Love Force” at Symphony Space as part of the 2026 Under the Radar Festival. We learn about Amanda’s background, her process as a producer, and further how she connected with Sunny Jain for “Love Force”.
For more on Amanda check out alc-arts.com
For more on Under the Radar Festival check out UTRFest.org
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Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.



May 20, 2026
Ep.189 New Jobs, Real Talk
May 20, 2026
May 20, 2026
41 min
Ep.189 New Jobs, Real Talk
This week we check in with Kevin and Bryan on how their new gigs are going, and discuss transitioning to new jobs, integrating with staff, creating positive workplace culture, and lessons in leadership. It’s a valuable conversation for anyone considering a move or taking on a new challenge.Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod
Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

There's No Business Like...
The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry!
The "Quad" Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week.
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